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Тема: To spank or not to spank?

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    To spank or not to spank?

    Here is what Dr. Sears (well-known pediatrician, author and a strong Christian) has to say about the subjest.


    HITTING IS ACTUALLY NOT BIBLICAL

    Don't use the Bible as an excuse to spank. There is confusion in the ranks of people of Judeo-Christian heritage who, seeking help from the Bible in their effort to raise godly children, believe that God commands them to spank. They take "spare the rod and spoil the child" seriously and fear that if they don't spank, they will commit the sin of losing control of their child. In our counseling experience, we find that these people are devoted parents who love God and love their children, but they misunderstand the concept of the rod. Rod verses - what they really mean. The following are the biblical verseswhich have caused the greatest confusion:

    "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Prov. 22:15)

    "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him." (Prov. 13:24)

    "Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death." (Prov. 23:13-14)

    "The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to itself disgraces his mother." (Prov. 29:15)

    At first glance these verses may sound pro-spanking. But you might consider a different interpretation of these teachings. "Rod" (shebet) means different things in different parts of the Bible. The Hebrew dictionary gives this word various meanings: a stick (for punishment, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.). While the rod could be used for hitting, it was more frequently used for guiding wandering sheep. Shepherds didn't use the rod to beat their sheep - and children are certainly more valuable than sheep. As shepherd-author Philip Keller teaches so well in A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23, the shepherd's rod was used to fight off prey and the staff was used to gently guide sheep along the right path. ("Your rod and your staff, they comfort me." – Psalm 23:4).

    Jewish families we've interviewed, who carefully follow dietary and lifestyle guidelines in the Scripture, do not practice "rod correction" with their children because they do not follow that interpretation of the text.

    The book of Proverbs is one of poetry. It is logical that the writer would have used a well-known tool to form an image of authority. We believe that this is the point that God makes about the rod in the Bible – parents take charge of your children. When you re-read the "rod verses," use the concept of parental authority when you come to the word "rod," ratherthan the concept of beating or spanking. It rings true in every instance.

    While Christians and Jews believe that the Old Testament is the inspired word of God, it is also a historical text that has been interpreted in many ways over the centuries, sometimes incorrectly in order to support the beliefs of the times. These "rod" verses have been burdened with interpretations about corporal punishment that support human ideas. Other parts of the Bible, especially the New Testament, suggest that respect, authority, and tenderness should be the prevailing attitudes toward children among people of faith.

    In the New Testament, Christ modified the traditional eye-for-an-eye system of justice with His turn-the-other-cheek approach. Christ preached gentleness, love, and understanding, and seemed against any harsh use of the rod, as stated by Paul in 1 Cor. 4:21: "Shall I come to you with the whip (rod), or in love and with a gentle spirit?" Paul went on to teach fathers about the importance of not provoking anger in their children (which is what spanking usually does): "Fathers, do not exasperate your children" (Eph. 6:4), and "Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will be discouraged" (Col. 3:21).

    In our opinion, nowhere in the Bible does it say you must spank your child to be a godly parent.





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    Как велики дела Твои, Господи! дивно глубоки помышления Твои!


    Псалтирь 91:5-6

  2. #2 (377637) | Ответ на # 377633
    While the rod could be used for hitting, it was more frequently used for guiding wandering sheep. Shepherds didn't use the rod to beat their sheep - and children are certainly more valuable than sheep
    Even though I don't agree with beating the crap outta your kids, I still think the Bible teaches us differently. But then, who really cares??...it's just the ways of the ancient...time to move on.

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    All you need is a good leather belt and a strong arm. The science enters the child via his ass cheeks.

  4. #4 (380027) | Ответ на # 380022
    Leather belts don't work too well. Try some sort of a power cord...tried, tested & passed.

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    Always use the word of encouragement and some leather belt. Spank the child and explane why you are doing so.
    Итак, кто во Христе, то новая тварь. :)

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    I've deleted this one for bad language and mocking. It is an unofficial warning.

    Tanya.
    Последний раз редактировалось Tanya; 16.04.2005 в 07:37.

  7. #7 (380048) | Ответ на # 380037
    Very good. I think you should write a book about it...

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    You'll never obtain a justice using violent methodes.
    Physical punishment just shows your own weakness within God's eyes.
    Don't try to hurt children - you'll hurt God.
    And he'll ask you about your crimes after you death, mes amis.
    ça va, si j'ecris en français?
    Архангел Аваддон

  9. #9 (394763) | Ответ на # 394757
    ça va, si j'ecris en français?
    oui, ça va....

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    All you need is a good leather belt and a strong arm. The science enters the child via his ass cheeks.
    Ass cheeks or chicks
    Not to spank. Period.

  11. #11 (834846) | Ответ на # 394944
    What I agree there is that spanking often does lead to abuse
    Последний раз редактировалось Натуке; 09.03.2007 в 07:17.

  12. Цитата Сообщение от Tanya Посмотреть сообщение
    HITTING IS ACTUALLY NOT BIBLICAL Don't use the Bible as an excuse to spank. nowhere in the Bible does it say you must spank your child to be a godly parent.
    you are sayingt like this now,but till last century severe corporal punishments had been common methods of upbringing both children and adults.
    In Christian Russian orthodoxy and probably most protestant schools kids were lashed,weren't they?
    We all know now that the Earht revolves round the Sun ....that one must not whip anybody...BUT! these obvious things,we think about them to be,were not so distinct in earlier times.
    Иоанна 8 : 32 ...и познаете истину и истина сделает вас свободными

  13. There is no reason to spank kids. You can deal with them without corporal punishment. Children are very sensitive nowdays. If children grow up in the atmosphere of love and tenderness, they know when they're wrong. So, talking to them about issues is good inough...

  14. Цитата Сообщение от Tanya Посмотреть сообщение
    people are devoted parents who love God and love their children, but they misunderstand the concept of the rod.

    The following are the biblical verses which have caused the greatest confusion...
    In the New Testament, Christ modified the traditional eye-for-an-eye system of justice with His turn-the-other-cheek approach.
    imho It's high time to understand the concept of the rod,the concept of the Bible.This book have never been "the God's word"
    People must modified their attitudes toward the books of Old Testament.
    Иоанна 8 : 32 ...и познаете истину и истина сделает вас свободными

  15. Цитата Сообщение от Ylantia Посмотреть сообщение
    Dead me alone. I do non space time to live it. I want to live in dead.
    sorry

    no savvey
    Иоанна 8 : 32 ...и познаете истину и истина сделает вас свободными

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